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Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

CyndyA — Sun, 25 May 2008 08:50:52 -0000

Sprague, that's the argument I've been trying to make with Allen. I hate it. I don't like it, but I'm riding the wave nonetheless.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

obscurelyfamous — Mon, 19 May 2008 21:16:44 -0000

Thanks for bringing this up.

We at Disqus have already been addressing these (very important) issues from the beginning.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Duncan Riley — Mon, 19 May 2008 19:17:05 -0000

I wouldn't go as far as saying copyright is dead, but I'd question the moral rights anyone has over comments contributed on a blog. Content yes, participation by others...not really.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

spragued — Mon, 19 May 2008 16:39:28 -0000

You've hit it exactly. How does a non-professional blogger maintain their brand when it is diffusing all over the Net thanks to social aggregators that pop up like mushrooms? The "loss" of conversation may not be offset by any benefits of increased awareness of your work -- especially if you don't know about it because it's taking place where you aren't.

But I agree with Duncan - those with a financial interest in commoditizing content will make this inevitable. You might as well go along for the ride...

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

CyndyA — Mon, 19 May 2008 16:09:34 -0000

The biggest problem, IMHO, is how this is going to wear on everyone. Duncan, you well know the burnout associated with this as a job. Add more places you have to "follow the conversation" and more "services" like FriendFeed and I wonder how many people are going to have full-scale melt-downs trying to leverage themselves in Blogging 2.0. Some of these folks have day jobs to fall back on. ;)

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Jitendra — Mon, 19 May 2008 15:39:05 -0000

Duncan, That is certainly an improvement...you might want to make sure that double indexing of content is not an issue with Google...And you have a strategy in place to reimport your comments in case you need to avoid data lock-in...Thanks, Jitendra

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Jose Paul Martin — Mon, 19 May 2008 14:20:17 -0000

"If blogging 1.0 was about enabling the conversation on each blog, blogging 2.0 is about enabling the conversation across many blogs and supporting sites and services. The conversation has matured and no longer is it acceptable to believe that as a content owner you hold exclusive domain over conversations you have started."

Bang on!!!! Copyright probably goes out the window as well!
I even killed my blog, of course I reached my target - financially, intellectually and otherwise... Blogging 1.0 is dead.... conversations will rule!

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Andrew Watson — Mon, 19 May 2008 10:46:23 -0000

Duncan, "blogging 2.0 is about enabling the conversation across many blogs and supporting sites and services." So if I post about this from WordPress*, the ping will show up here, right?
We'll soon see - or perhaps we won't.
But thank you for providing the prod that made me set up a Disqus account.
* http://changingway.org/2008...

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Silverbrow — Mon, 19 May 2008 09:09:58 -0000

As I just commented on Louis Gray, this is very true for tech blogs, but for many non-tech blogs, they use the internet as a tool, nothing more. It's simply a way to disseminate info. It might be a new way, with different rules, but as much as they don't understand how a printign press, or printer work, they don't really care how stuff gets up there and out there. Their readers don't know what disqus is, probably haven't heard of twitter etc. For these people, they're going to be exceptionally slow to get this stuff and cede control. And frankly, their largely likeminded users probably won't care either.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

david usher — Mon, 19 May 2008 06:15:19 -0000

Web 2.0 is telling big media and big business endlessly that its all about the user. Funny that bloggers are having trouble with the concept. Go where the people are and set your content free:) Im flirting with disqus. Sometimes it seems a bit, well, messy.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Phil — Mon, 19 May 2008 05:24:37 -0000

Wholly agree Duncan. That which you cannot change you must embrace, it's the only way forward, might as well be in front of it.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Duncan Riley — Mon, 19 May 2008 04:04:00 -0000

Hi Jitendra
Not an issue in my case as I've implemented the Disqus API plugin (not the JS one) so in theory all of this content should be seen by Google and others, it was one of the selling points to me in implementing it.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Jitendra — Mon, 19 May 2008 03:41:48 -0000

Hey Duncan, Jitendra from SezWho here...Losing control of ones comments (and SEO benefits and freshness etc. of your site - important for Google or TechMeme etc.) is really not needed to get all the community/threading features provided by Disqus. SezWho provides all the community/context services without taking over your content...In addition there are a number of other plugins that will replicate the other features of a comment replacement system without replacing your comments (E.g. Brian Threaded comments for threaded discussion etc.)... My 2 cents.

Thanks, Jitendra

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Duncan Riley — Mon, 19 May 2008 03:09:04 -0000

Andy
you've touched on a broader move in mindset towards valuing UGC as well. The days of build it and they will come (or perhaps will comment) have now passed.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Andy C — Mon, 19 May 2008 03:01:40 -0000

Couldn't agree more. I am genuinely perplexed about bloggers who are obsessive about ownership of blog comments (Disqus), retaining control over 'their' content and fragmentation of the conversation (FF et al).

If I choose to leave a comment on a blog, surely I 'own' that comment as much (if not more so) than the blog owner.

I couldn't care less who/what/where is commenting about my blog, I'm just delighted that they are.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

gregory — Mon, 19 May 2008 02:15:28 -0000

you are totally right about this trend

and, what nobody wants to talk about.... the death of advertising as a revenue model .... it is going to be out of love and passion for awhile, because the trend makes traffic unquantifiable...

think about it

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Glenn Slaven — Mon, 19 May 2008 01:56:28 -0000

Blogger plugins are difficult because the platform you've got to work with is kinda restrictive, where as with WordPress installs you've got all of php's power to work with :)

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Duncan Riley — Mon, 19 May 2008 01:49:26 -0000

as can I, although I'm not sure this is so much havok and confusion (revolution) as opposed to evolutionary change. We've since bits and pieces of this in the past with the original coComment, some of RSS readers even.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Rahsheen — Mon, 19 May 2008 01:42:34 -0000

Not to belittle those that have been following these long-established practices. I totally understand how major changes like this can cause havok and confusion...maybe even a little anger :)

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

kenmat — Mon, 19 May 2008 01:26:16 -0000

Very comprehensive write-up. Thanks!

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Shawn Farner — Mon, 19 May 2008 01:10:00 -0000

Right on. :) I'm trying to get used to this change myself, but it definitely requires more work. I'm a big fan of Disqus now, as I believe its integration with FF ultimately bring in more blog comments (I've experienced this). I can't wait until Disqus and FF work better together. I think a lot of the criticism (especially my own) will then die down.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Louis Gray — Mon, 19 May 2008 01:05:01 -0000

There have not been any for Blogger yet that I know of. Otherwise, I'd be all over it.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Don Jones — Mon, 19 May 2008 00:51:31 -0000

Disqus is on the ball. They seem to working with the main services that count and they have a great service. The Seesmic thing is a bit edgy, but I like it. Although I think video blog comments are a tough road to hoe, I'm trying it out (and would done so here). BTW, video comments might make people more civil, because it removes some anonymity.

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

ontarioemperor — Mon, 19 May 2008 00:49:03 -0000

Does anyone know if any similar plugins have been developed for other platforms (in my case, Blogger)?

Re: Blogging 2.0: It’s All About The User

Duncan Riley — Mon, 19 May 2008 00:36:56 -0000

microrahsheen
It is a new perspective, but it also throws out a lot of the established practices many of us have grown up with (pardon the phrase) in blogging. It's literally blogging 2.0, finally the social networking/ mesh of other services is transforming blogging as well.