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Anyway, I'm rather uncomfortable reading any sort of hate speech, be it about a specific religion or not. Please have some respect for your fellow humans.
I don't think ex-convicts are as bitter about jail as ex-Mormons are of the Mormon church.
Wow I haven't read something so ignorant since I read garbage from the Tanner's.
It was entertaining though.
Glad I'm not on your level buddy ;^)
And if I remember correctly, that cartoon is from the God Makers, which is full of blatent lies. Good choice of reference materials, makes you sound REALLY CREDIBLE.
The line is clearly pretty thin but this seemed like an attack to me and I'm pretty liberal in this area
Try to find a way to make fun of us without getting to cozy with the 700 Club folks, eh?
Here a start on your path to finding what Mormons really believe. www(dot) mormon (dot) org
@Tom, you seriously compare joking about murdering a baby to joking about a religion???? Oy.
The main reason that some religions get SO much bad press is because of the inability to look at it from an outsider's perspective and the tendency to take any poke or dig as a personal affront. I got over it a long time ago. I'm married to an Atheist. Looking at my beliefs through his eyes and poking doesn't threaten me, and I never understand the reaction of anger and defensiveness instead of a reaction of "You know, I see why you think that... here's why I think you are wrong." Does anyone here think that a single comment left here will change anyone's feelings about the LDS church or will it instead reinforce impressions?
On that note, claiming someone was making a joke about murdering a baby when they weren't is really kind of offensive in it's own right.
But back to the piece itself I also didn’t think his comments were all that tactful but that’s why I’m not a hypocrite and you are. The bottom line is that you can’t get offended by a poor attempt at humor and then criticize others for being offended by another poor attempt at humor. Either it’s ok to be offended by people’s bad jokes or it’s not. Period. Because any other stance means you’re demanding everyone be like you (e.g. it’s ok to say something offensive if you aren’t offended but not ok if you are offended)
I wish I could have those 2 minutes back.
You impugn my intelligence, call me a hypocrite, and that does what? Would that be more or less likely to make me sympathetic to your POV? I'm not sure you read the rest of my comment at all, since you didn't address it. I was discussing my article with a fellow writer who thought I should have included MORE about LDS history as a rationale for the rumor's veracity. I pointed out that it was a rumor, had a tenuous link to the realm of possibility. Rumors like this are news ALL THE TIME. How many times have I read that Google/Microsoft/Yahoo is buying Digg? It's part and parcel of the news cycle. Duncan's post pokes at the rumor, and suddenly he's using hate speech? Where are the Bigfoot believers calling him out? Or the TechCrunch believers? Why is the LDS church supposed to be above the same treatment given to any tech rumor out there?
Just some corrections:
-We don't *dislike* Gay/Lesbian/etc. people. I have many friends myself, some of them Mormon even that are Gay. We simply don't condone acting out on the behavior. And even if you do, we don't hate you because of it - we're taught to love one another. Any evidence to the contrary is wrong.
-The church's outreach program doesn't raise funds - the Church is 100% member-funded
-The scriptures you're quoting on African Americans are taken out of context and are not referring to African Americans/White Americans at all - in fact, it's referring to people of an entirely different time period, and much of that in a symbolic rather than literal context - the church has been completely forthcoming on that with the scriptures you quote
-Caffeine is not forbidden in the LDS Church - Coffee and Tea are. In fact, several LDS Apostles are known to have a preference for Coca Cola or Pepsi. It is a personal preference not to drink if you know any Mormons that have made the choice.
-The video you're sharing is an anti-Mormon video distributed by radical protestants intending to harm the Mormon faith and prove its principles are wrong. It has never been endorsed by the Mormon Church, is very inaccurate, and portrays the church in a completely inaccurate, out of context picture. I would highly recommend you use a more accurate video, perhaps one produced by the Church itself to share what the Mormon Church claims to believe.
Again, I don't take too much offense to this, but there are some serious inaccuracies here, and you're going to seriously offend some people by keeping the inaccuracies in place.
made to become American. Once the American government stops 'not
condoning' people's behavior that doesn't affect you I will stop 'not
condoning' the American Government". The American government, the
Catholic church, Southern baptist convention, and more have all
condoned different ways of living. If you really look at it though,
the Mormon church has been pretty peaceful and welcoming about it all
- you don't see us standing outside abortion clinics or Gay weddings
shouting at those practicing the behavior against our teachings. You
see us welcoming you as friends, cheering on your weddings, and
recognizing that while you don't have the same beliefs as us, we can
still share what we do have in common.
Just because the Westboro Baptist Church and abortion clinic bombers are out there doesn't mean the Mormon Church is less intolerant and hurtful. Mormons have significant political and economic power and the Mormon Church has a negative effect on many non-Mormon lives through their dogma.
If you want to control the behavior of your family or your church members, that's fine (although still worth criticizing). The Mormon church, though, has stifled civil rights laws in Utah and other states, and put their full political and economic weight towards passing a federal anti-gay marriage amendment. That's not benign, and people should not stop criticizing the Mormon church until they stop trying to dictate how people privately live their lives.
Mormons are against homosexuality because it tarnishes the sanctity of the family, and is an unnatural state of being. BTW if you read the bible there is a commandment in there against homosexuality. I don't remember where exactly but I know its there.
And yes, it doesn't really matter, but the bible does say in Leviticus not to sleep with a man like you would with a woman because it is an abomination. It's right after the parts whereit says not to eat shrimp or pork because it is an abomination, and before the part mandating people to celebrate Yom Kippur every year. Mormons can choose to follow specific LDS church teachings or not, but there are many positions that define you if you are a Mormon, and right now one of those is intolerance.
That's not funny..
I'm mormon.
Mormon's don't hate gays.
If you're mormon, and you have feelings for the same sex, then you talk to your bishop and if you say, "Pshh. Screw it. I like the same sex and people can deal with it." then you get ex-communicated.
We don't hate them.
I personally think it's disgusting, but that's just me.
No, the southpark thing IS NOT the best thing to watch if you want to know about mormons.
Joseph Smith did not put rocks in a hat, stick his head in there and call it a vision.
www.mormon.org
That's the actual site that I'd tell anyone to look at.
Everything else is probably lies.
Any questions about mormons?
I'm only 15 and know a whole lot.
So email me questions or something.
ga_bldgs_luvr@yahoo.com
I have Mormons in my family and one distant Mormon relative in particular was very helpful in providing me with detailed genealogy info.
Thank you.
One has to smile at the rhetoric... The same anti points seem to recycle every few years...
The only way to fight them is to expose to the world--how Scientology has used physiological phenomenas as the basis for a false religion. How it has harmed families by claiming that innocent mothers and fathers are SPs -- when they lied about symptom re-stimulations to the world.
No where in Scientology will you find courses or services on any bible, there is no study or belief in heaven, hell, saints, angels, the devil, or even God himself. They do not study religion or even believe in religions. They do not share common values with any other religion. Their goal is to eliminate all other religions.
The E-meter reads your physiological reactions, the Ronbots never calls it that—they call it the “CHARGE” or the “MASS” or “ENGRAMS” OR “MENTAL IMAGE PICTURES” that you have in your brain—all meant to distract you from the truth.
Know this fact --- There is a law of Nature or law of God called “Physiological Reactions” that is the true secret behind Scientology’s Dianectic study technology.
AUDITING ERASES AND LESSONS YOUR PHYSIOLOGICAL REACTIONS!!! Once they are gone – your symptoms can’t be re-stimulated by stress or arguments. This is NOT a good thing, because ALL doctors depend on symptoms to guide them in treating you! This is why they prohibit you from seeing the doctors of your choice!!! Understand now how the scam works? Now when you argue with your mother and don’t get sick – you think she was the cause of all your illnesses.
If you were audited a hundred times over and over again (repetitive auditing) for a word that you were ordered to never clear or understand, and then made to read a page that contained that word—it would never again read on the Emeter or cause a physiological reaction.
Both Psychiatry and Scientology treats the symptoms of the mind and not the real causes of mental illnesses, one with drugs and one with erasing physiological reactions called Engrams or mental image pictures! Which one is worst? Drugs you can stop, but the other is irreversible and also a dangerous and deadly scam.
With the knowledge contained here, psychiatry will defeat $cientology easily.
LRH discovered that when you passed a misunderstood word—you manifested many reactions of various types: Yawning, sleepiness, not there feeling, dizziness, blurry eyes, nervousness and dozens more.
Being the liar that he was, he claimed that physiological reactions which he now calls “Dianetics” was “‘his” invention and not a law of God; he hid the fact that it is our human inheritance since time began.
Granted that his power of obnosis (observation) was the best in the world, his crime against humanity was to make a “religion” based upon the falsehood, that it was his very own invention or creation and not a law of God belonging to all Humanity as their lawful right.
For proof that the Cult has lied to you: -- Google “L. Ron Hubbard and Physiological Reactions” or visit their own Godless websites:
http://www.studytechnology.org/10-barr.htm or http://www.lronhubbardstudytech.asn.au/10-barr.htm http://www.studytech.org/study_tech3.php
http://www.effective-education.org/pg003.html
LRH used God’s Natural laws to make slaves of mankind!
“So long as a physiological phenomenon remains the knowledge of a few and is denied to the many it can be utilized to control the many.” LRH (from Journal of Scientology Issue 4-G from Oct. 1952)
“This universe has long been looking for new ways to make slaves. Well, we've got some new ways to make slaves here.” LRH (from PDC tape lecture #20 “Formative State of Scientology, Definition of Logic”, given on 6 Dec 52)
"All men shall be my slaves! LRH
All women shall submit to my charms! LRH
All mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!" [L. Ron Hubbard, "Affirmations", late 1940s] Affirmations, exhibits 500-4D, E, F & G. See Church of Scientology v Armstrong, transcript volume 11, p.1886.
"Somebody some day will say 'this is illegal'.
By then be sure the orgs say what is legal or not."
L. Ron Hubbard, HCOPL 4 January 1966
"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM”. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them." - L. Ron Hubbard, "Off the Time Track," lecture of June 1952, excerpted in JOURNAL OF SCIENTOLOGY issue 18-G, reprinted in TECHNICAL VOLUMES OF DIANETICS & SCIENTOLOGY, vol. 1, p. 418
"Scientology...is not a religion." - L. Ron Hubbard, CREATION OF HUMAN ABILITY, 1954, p. 251
L. Ron Hubbard’s religion before he discovered physiological reactions was “Satanism”.
He wanted to invent a new religion masked as being good, but in fact was totally evil so that he could take his place on the "Throne of the Beast," which he firmly believed himself to be the rightful heir. Being an evil Satanist he wanted to destroy all other religions and have Scientology as the only religion left on Earth. He wanted to be the RULER of the NEW WORLD ORDER and sit on the Throne of the Beast.
All living beings have physiological (The functions and activities of life or of living matter such as the organic processes of organs, tissues, or cells) phenomenas (observable reactions known through the senses rather than by thought or intuition), or physical manifestations (made evident by showing or displaying) or physical reactions, that we see or feel as symptoms, and they are external and/or internal or visible signs or warnings given to us, by our creator to help us survive, help us increase our potential, our knowledge and our health.
All life on Earth has these cause and effect reactions called physiological phenomenas. All living beings whether they are plant, insect, retile or animal or human could not live without these reactions. They influence the body’s and the mind’s reactions to any form of stimuli, and have an influence on every cell of the body and mind.
[Noun. Physiological reaction – Is an automatic instinctive unlearned reaction to a stimulus.]
[Examples of physiological reactions: inborn reflex, innate reflex, instinctive reflex, reflex response, unconditioned reflex, accommodation reflex, Babinski reflex, belching, headache, migraines, swelling, sweating, erections, blinking, blushing, burping, defecation reflex, disgorgement, involuntary eye blinking, farting, skin flush, gag reflex, goose bump, goose pimple, gooseflesh, involuntary gulping, involuntary hiccup, knee-jerk reflex, light reflex, puking, papillary reflex, rectal reflex, regurgitation, shaking, shiver, shock, sneezing, startle, stretch reflex, suckling reflex, trembling, upset stomach, vomiting, involuntary winking, yawn, yawning -- plus hundreds more.]
Ron studied Physiological reactions more than most scientists and applied it to invent a new Religion.
He did not invent but copied the laws of nature and scammed the whole world into thinking that he alone discovered these reactions and no one else did. What he did do - was noticed the reactions of students and from this scam invented Dianetics “study tech”.
Examples of Physiological reactions of the body and mind when reading:
Falling asleep while reading - yawning, confusion, feeling blank, feeling anxious, not there feeling, tearing eyes, eyes going out of focus, dizziness, reeling, rebelliousness, headaches, skipping words, feeling nauseous, fidgeting, jumpy while reading, can’t stay still, mispronouncing words, feeling as if you are squashed, feeling as if you are over-whelmed, twitching, can’t apply what you are reading, can’t understand what you are reading, etc. are all due to physiological reactions when you read misunderstood words or misunderstood definitions.
The Cult’s method of healing called “Touch Assist” is nothing more than erasing the physiological reactions of PAIN. Physiological reactions are the clues from the law of God called “The Law of Cause and Effect”; for every action there is a reaction. A complete understand of these two laws of God can be used to learn to self-heal.
To understand the sinful secrets of your enemy –is to know exactly where to hurt him.
Scientology’s copyrighted files on based upon the laws of Nature and laws of God; they are in violation of copyrights and patent rights. Therefore, the contents or subjects can be used by anyone and can be talked about without fear of any lawsuit.
Everything you do produces a reaction in your body and mind. Every time you read, eat, sleep, rest, run, etc. produces a reaction.
To tell your mother that you invented a new religion, because you discovered why you farted, is a good example of the scam that Ron pulled on you. He got away with it because the world did not see these reactions as they applied to reading. Or if some scientist saw and knew it—he did not protest it and allowed a Cult to claim it as their own new discovery.
If you want to destroy the cult, study your own reactions each time you do something—learn to read yourself and use your own power of obnosis to discover the real world within and around you.
Yours truly
RonbotHunter
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". . . there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people . . . (Pearl of Great Price Moses 7:8)."
"And . . . they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them (Pearl of Great Price Moses 7:22)."
This teaches White Mormons that Black skin is a CURSE FROM the Mormon GOD (THIS IS NOT IN THE HOLY BIBLE)
"...cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing...the Lord God did cause a skin of BLACKNESS to come upon them (Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)"
"And the skins..were DARK,according to the MARK which was set upon their fathers..which WAS A CURSE upon them...(Book of Mormon,Alma 3:6)"
"and the CURSING which hath come upon their skins...(Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5)"